and a lot of big projects, chevron project. so it's very important for them and they're looking to bring people in from other parts of the world. in some ways they're leading a lot of the competitive activity. >> do you see much migration of people around the world looking for jobs these days? >> the oil and gas industry remains probably the most mobile industry out there. top engineers expect in their career to work in more than one country and often more than one continent. australia is very interesting for them and a lot of them would like to go there. the australian government actually holds some of that back on making pieces available. although if you're in a specific demand or you work for one of the operators, there are opportunities. other countries are also actively trying to bring people in. >> finding as the survey pounds out, finding -- points out, finding people with the right skills is a big challenge. the survey found shortage of skills ran second only to economic instability as a threat to the oil and gas indust